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    Quote Originally Posted by james cook View Post
    can someone clarify the use of aspirin in supplementation? (pre or post workout) I have heard that it is not good.
    This is based on the controversy that asprin causes blockade of phospholipase A which catalyzes Arachadonic acid into its associated downstream Prostaglandins (PGE2) that are the trigger for several natural inflammatory events that results from resistance training.

    If you are constantly taking NSAIDS such as asprin which cause this blockade then yes you may have some degree on supressed inflammation and over the long term could lead to dimminished muscle adaptation and growth.

    However the research I have seen and read from researchers like Jose Antonio have failed to show any significant supression of muscle strength or size as a result of low dose, low frequency consumption of NSAIDS including asprin. (Doses were given in daily doses of 200-300mg after workouts).

    Now if your taking 200+ mg a day every day before and or after workouts I feel you may be limiting yourself some size gains. Only use them when you really need them for the pain management, even then, look at whats cause the pain via DOMS or joint pain, fix the source at that point, not the symptom.
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    Quote Originally Posted by deepmar View Post
    Thanks for the post...as for the supplements on #6 do you have to buy these individually or is there anything out in the market that is similar?
    VPX Meltdown seems to have the most clinical and scientific backing right now as reported in 2 university research studies and is available on the Journal of the International Society of Sports Nutrition website.

    www.jissn.com Search under: Meltdown

    They used the supplment itself in the study, not the ingredients they put in the pills to make the supplement but the exact pills in the bottle that you and I would use as well if we went and bought it.
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    Great info thanks again for that.

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    This is my take:

    1.) irrelevant.
    2.) irrelevant.
    3.) individually different.
    4.) irrelevant.
    5.) needed only as EFAs
    6.) none of that is needed.
    7.) irrelevant.
    8.) all fruits are fine.
    9.) agreed.
    10.) irrelevant, a caloric deficit never stops working.
    11.) irrelevant.

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    cardio in the morning before you eat anything works really well. and especially after you train. i did it and i looked great for my show.

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    Great advice bro, I look forward to trying it out.

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    Josh
    Nice read, 1 question.
    On the: "Eat citrus fruits if you must eat fruits as they are acidic and raise insulin much less than most typical fruits (exception of pineapple). Plus they contain flavinoids such as naringin in oranges and grapefruit which also help with fat loss by extending caffeine’s effects. Do not eat grapefruit with prescription meds as it will amplify its effects in most cases"
    You don't know if it is because my body is screaming for potassium, but I eat 3 to for bananas a day. Will that screw up results?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wavelength View Post
    This is my take:

    1.) irrelevant.
    2.) irrelevant.
    3.) individually different.
    4.) irrelevant.
    5.) needed only as EFAs
    6.) none of that is needed.
    7.) irrelevant.
    8.) all fruits are fine.
    9.) agreed.
    10.) irrelevant, a caloric deficit never stops working.
    11.) irrelevant.
    because...

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    Default When fat stretched abdominal skin.

    I have lost a considerable amount of weight due to diet and exercise over the past 5 years. Going from 230lbs to 170lbs. I now have some sagging skin in the lower ab area. Any ideas of how to increase the ability for the skin to snap back? I'm in my 50's and would appreciate some suggestions on this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joshua H View Post
    This is based on the controversy that asprin causes blockade of phospholipase A which catalyzes Arachadonic acid into its associated downstream Prostaglandins (PGE2) that are the trigger for several natural inflammatory events that results from resistance training.

    If you are constantly taking NSAIDS such as asprin which cause this blockade then yes you may have some degree on supressed inflammation and over the long term could lead to dimminished muscle adaptation and growth.

    However the research I have seen and read from researchers like Jose Antonio have failed to show any significant supression of muscle strength or size as a result of low dose, low frequency consumption of NSAIDS including asprin. (Doses were given in daily doses of 200-300mg after workouts).

    Now if your taking 200+ mg a day every day before and or after workouts I feel you may be limiting yourself some size gains. Only use them when you really need them for the pain management, even then, look at whats cause the pain via DOMS or joint pain, fix the source at that point, not the symptom.
    this...and it will thin the blood. Which is why combining it with caffeine will really accelerate the effects of the caffeine...great for pre-cardio.

    Good points above. Cardio on an empty stomach is important, and I HATE doing it

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    Quote Originally Posted by D_T View Post
    because...
    Bump!


    I would like to no the "because" as well to the prior posting?

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    Quote Originally Posted by firebird85 View Post
    Josh
    Nice read, 1 question.
    On the: "Eat citrus fruits if you must eat fruits as they are acidic and raise insulin much less than most typical fruits (exception of pineapple). Plus they contain flavinoids such as naringin in oranges and grapefruit which also help with fat loss by extending caffeine’s effects. Do not eat grapefruit with prescription meds as it will amplify its effects in most cases"
    You don't know if it is because my body is screaming for potassium, but I eat 3 to for bananas a day. Will that screw up results?

    I am not to big on bananas myself unless its post workout. They are primarily fructose once they turn yellow and ripen (the sugars breakdown over time and become more simple) they restock your lives well with glycogen but also have a strong impact on insulin. As general fruit I do not suggest you eat them often, 3-4 times a day, definetly not. Too much fructore (fruit sugar).

    Try sweet potato if you thinks its potassium you need, tons of it found in these spuds!
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    Quote Originally Posted by figurebre View Post
    this...and it will thin the blood. Which is why combining it with caffeine will really accelerate the effects of the caffeine...great for pre-cardio.

    Good points above. Cardio on an empty stomach is important, and I HATE doing it

    This is also true, yes indeed, its blood thinning effects are often overlooked.

    Asprin also inhibits the function of alpha-glycerolphosphate, the re-esterification enzyme for free fatty acids into tryglycerides. This way when you do cardio as ffa are being mobilized into the blood stream, your not having that little bit come back through and get put back into the fat cell, small effect but over time it does add up.
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    good read josh..i've tried cardio on empty first thing in the morning and it works very well but i'm worried about burning up muscle.is it wise to take a little whey protein upon waking to stop any catabolic effect and then do my cardio??

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    Quote Originally Posted by browny133 View Post
    good read josh..i've tried cardio on empty first thing in the morning and it works very well but i'm worried about burning up muscle.is it wise to take a little whey protein upon waking to stop any catabolic effect and then do my cardio??
    If the intensity is too high then yes it is more likely to do so. If your above 70% of your HRR then your too high. Stay under that threshold and most people in general will not tap into protein stores. If your really concerned then down 5-10 grams of glutamine and 5 grams of bcaa's and this will keep you in the safe zone. Overall if your at a low intensity as most people do when fasted cardio is the goal, your not even close to asking the body to use amino acids for fuel.

    Hope that helps bro!
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