FemChem Q&A with Leigh Penman

[~gymdiva~]

omg! I had this awesome followup going and I just lost it! dammit! ok, i'll come back later and address the nolva...I didn't suggest it to the doc but rather was trying to wrap my head around something and well, he didn't help...grrr...

[Lee Penman]

This whole section serves as evidence that FBB are a lot more educated when it comes to hormone manipulation than most MD's who see no viable use for drugs such as Nolvadex unless you have breast cancer or a family history of it. A thread like this is a valuable source of information and discussion for women who have become frustrated by traditional doctors responses.

[Sistersteel]

I am getting ready to step this discussion up a notch by throwing in another variable. I am waiting for other ladies to respond with their thoughts before I proceed.

[~gymdiva~]

ok so I'll try to retype what I was on my phone earlier...the nolva thing was me asking him why the immediate answer was always BC? the former ex phys major in me was trying to wrap my thoughts around the difference b/w using BC and using an anti-e (nolva just always pops to mind first) in lowering/shutting off estrogen production...and he gave me no answer other than, it's only used for cancer...yes I am aware of that, I'm asking please explain why it's not looked at, or is it? or is it studied?

all I was looking for was anything from a chemical explanation to even something as simple, there's not enough research and I'm not comfortable giving it to my patients...but I didn't get any of that...and that's where I got very frustrated...well, more frustrated b/c I have never in my life had such a bad doctor's visit...I now know and understand why some women never talk to their docs about things for fear of not being heard...

[sassy69]

Just to back up the MD discussion a little more, when I asked my OBGYN about nolvadex back in 2000, related to reducing estrogen for comeptition, all he said was the usual that the only research available is related to post-menopausal breast cancer patients and why not just stop taking my birth control?

So yea, the general sense I got was "no clue".

[tammyp]

i have low estrogen and havent has a natural period in at least 8 years. i was on the pill to get it back briefly, but hated being on it. this was when i was natural.

i had and still do, bad skin issues, night sweats and vaginal dryness. my ob/gyn said my skin was thin like a menopausal woman at my last pap, about 4 years ago. am i in menopause? im 38, no kids.

[Carolyn Bryant]

GymDiva, I find it so strange that the sentiment of most doctors is all over the gotdayum country. I have lived in three states where I have had an OB-GYN on speed dial. Each time I have heard that a woman CANNOT make a choice to have a hysterectomy if she is under a certain age. They will do it if your endo is life threatening. I think there out to be a law against that.

My doctor denied my request to write a script for Nolvedex quoting pretty much the same thing. I can say for me anti-estros by themselves did nothing to stop menses. Low bodyfat or athleticsm either. I'm 46. Thought things would get better with old age. HELL NAW. They got worse. I can grow a full goatee now.

Yes, SS, the hair went nuts with the Danazol. But like I said about the Halotestin when you are desperate you will consider most anything. Hmmm, do I want hair or fat and cellulite?....

I have been very disappointed that more research has not been done about estro dominance. They have figured out how to cure prostate cancer while women's health seems to be on the backburner.

[Carolyn Bryant]

I am getting ready to step this discussion up a notch by throwing in another variable. I am waiting for other ladies to respond with their thoughts before I proceed.

Oh Boy. Please tell me that you're going to say sex three times a day is all we really need. More oxytocin being released....

[~gymdiva~]

GymDiva, I find it so strange that the sentiment of most doctors is all over the gotdayum country. I have lived in three states where I have had an OB-GYN on speed dial. Each time I have heard that a woman CANNOT make a choice to have a hysterectomy if she is under a certain age. They will do it if your endo is life threatening. I think there out to be a law against that.

My doctor denied my request to write a script for Nolvedex quoting pretty much the same thing. I can say for me anti-estros by themselves did nothing to stop menses. Low bodyfat or athleticsm either. I'm 46. Thought things would get better with old age. HELL NAW. They got worse. I can grow a full goatee now.

Yes, SS, the hair went nuts with the Danazol. But like I said about the Halotestin when you are desperate you will consider most anything. Hmmm, do I want hair or fat and cellulite?....

I have been very disappointed that more research has not been done about estro dominance. They have figured out how to cure prostate cancer while women's health seems to be on the backburner.

yeah it truly amazes me how you can come in educated on the issues that may or may not be happening and know options and repercussions, good and bad, to them and yet they go, oh no you can only do x or y and forget about z b/c you're "young"...well did anyone ever stop to think that maybe option z would be best in the long term? is anyone bothering to do research on it? it made me mad I wasn't more book smart!

[Sistersteel]

i have low estrogen and havent has a natural period in at least 8 years. i was on the pill to get it back briefly, but hated being on it. this was when i was natural.

i had and still do, bad skin issues, night sweats and vaginal dryness. my ob/gyn said my skin was thin like a menopausal woman at my last pap, about 4 years ago. am i in menopause? im 38, no kids.

What brought about the cessation of your periods? Was it mother nature? or gear induced?

[Lee Penman]

What brought about the cessation of your periods? Was it mother nature? or gear induced?

Good point! How does gear influence the menstrual cycle? Some have no interruption - even on low dose test - others lose their period with Anavar.
Question really is, do women really care about losing their period?
Also, can women take charge of mother nature in this respect with AAS use?

[tammyp]

What brought about the cessation of your periods? Was it mother nature? or gear induced?

i was nattie at the time, but competing/

[Sistersteel]

Sorry for the delayed response. I been trying to keep up with the board in the middle of a meet and a funeral this weekend.


Tammy, did your periods just disappear one fine day or did you start missing them more frequently first?

[tammyp]

i was never really regular once i went of the pill at 26.

sorry about your loss SS.

[Sistersteel]

And how long before no periods at all..? You said you were 38 and had not had a period in at least 8 years. I'm assuming a couple of years later you stopped mensing altogether?


Thanks you Tammy for the condolences.

SS