HRT/Cycle Advice

**Nattynomore** · 04-30-2009, 01:16 PM

Just finished the following 10 week cycle on Tuesday:

200mg/week test cyp
300mg/week test enth
250mg/week deca

I am now dropping back down to HRT dose of 200mg/week test cyp. I have to have blood work in a month. Will levels be back to HRT baseline by then or should I push off the appointment for a few more weeks??

**esplendido** · 04-30-2009, 02:06 PM

Originally Posted by Nattynomore

Just finished the following 10 week cycle on Tuesday:

200mg/week test cyp
300mg/week test enth
250mg/week deca

I am now dropping back down to HRT dose of 200mg/week test cyp. I have to have blood work in a month. Will levels be back to HRT baseline by then or should I push off the appointment for a few more weeks??

The cyp and enanthate levels from your cycle take about 3 weeks from the last pinning to get you back to HRT levels. What will not recover that quickly will be your lipid levels. Your LDL will still be somewhat high and your HDL will be low. That might raise the docs eyebrows and make him think that 200mg/wk of test is too much. I'd give it 8 weeks if you can....and load up on the fish oil caps....6-8mg/day.

I'm guessing you had the enanthate as the non-script AS and the cyp was your script? They're nearly identical and stacking them doesn't add anything to your cycle. You would've been better off with tren ace along with the test cyp.

How'd your cycle work out?

**Nattynomore** · 04-30-2009, 02:28 PM

My HRT doc is only ordering free/total test, PSA, and liver function. This is my first follow-up and, assuming levels aren't too high, I am going to request an increase (250 or 300 per week). I think he is gtg until about total hits about 1100.

I only added the test enth because I had it. I knew they were pretty much the same. Overall, the cycle went GREAT. Almost returned to PRs on many lifts after they had fallen off due to low test. Gained about 18 solid pounds. Might have been able to due a bit better with tighter diet, but I am thrilled overall.

After my follow-up, the next cycle will be 700mg/week test (c&e), plus 250mg/deca. Deca is mainly for joints. Saving tren for third cycle.

Based upon the fact doc will not be looking at LDL/HDL, do you still feel I need 8 weeks??

**esplendido** · 04-30-2009, 02:53 PM

Originally Posted by Nattynomore

My HRT doc is only ordering free/total test, PSA, and liver function. This is my first follow-up and, assuming levels aren't too high, I am going to request an increase (250 or 300 per week). I think he is gtg until about total hits about 1100.

I only added the test enth because I had it. I knew they were pretty much the same. Overall, the cycle went GREAT. Almost returned to PRs on many lifts after they had fallen off due to low test. Gained about 18 solid pounds. Might have been able to due a bit better with tighter diet, but I am thrilled overall.

After my follow-up, the next cycle will be 700mg/week test (c&e), plus 250mg/deca. Deca is mainly for joints. Saving tren for third cycle.

Based upon the fact doc will not be looking at LDL/HDL, do you still feel I need 8 weeks??

4 weeks is cutting it close. The deca can be the problem. I'd still wait a little longer....at least 6 weeks. And don't workout for 2 days before the test. Otherwise, your test levels will be elevated a little. And have a good carb day before the test. Starvation increases IGF-1 and test levels.

**Nattynomore** · 04-30-2009, 02:57 PM

Good advice . . . I live in Pittsburgh and will be looking for you at the Master's Nationals in July.

Thanks man.

**esplendido** · 04-30-2009, 03:00 PM

Originally Posted by Nattynomore

Good advice . . . I live in Pittsburgh and will be looking for you at the Master's Nationals in July.

Thanks man.

I had planned on competing there but I have to be in the Dominican Republic on cigar business then. I've moved my competition to the North Americans the end of August, then the Red River (Oklahoma) the end of October.

**Nattynomore** · 04-30-2009, 03:03 PM

Maybe I will have to head to Cleveland then . . . thanks again.

**Nattynomore** · 04-30-2009, 03:05 PM

By the way . . . my wife could not stop staring at your old avatar (the torso shot) . . . I gotta get on that treadmill . . .

**heavyiron** · 04-30-2009, 03:24 PM

4 week cruise is fine just make sure you get the draw 8 days AFTER your 200mg inject of cyp. I have actually done this twice with only a 2 week cruise off a cycle and my Total T was in the high range. C and E will easily be baseline in 14 days. Deca 21 days. The biggest issue is the 200mg inject in relationship to the draw. Take nothing during that week.

**esplendido** · 04-30-2009, 03:50 PM

For your wife.....

**esplendido** · 04-30-2009, 03:55 PM

Originally Posted by heavyiron

4 week cruise is fine just make sure you get the draw 8 days AFTER your 200mg inject of cyp. I have actually done this twice with only a 2 week cruise off a cycle and my Total T was in the high range. C and E will easily be baseline in 14 days. Deca 21 days. The biggest issue is the 200mg inject in relationship to the draw. Take nothing during that week.

I would agree, except I have some personal experience otherwise. I bulk on Test/Deca....and I get HRT. I had bloodwork done (originally, before cycling test was 233+/-) after a 12 week cycle of 600mg cyp/wk and 300mg deca/wk. I had it done 5 weeks after last pinning and my test was 1200. I had the test done again 4 weeks later (or doc was going to reduce HRT) and it was down to 500.

I'm sure it's different person to person, but better safe than sorry.

**Nattynomore** · 04-30-2009, 04:36 PM

Esplendido . . . I actually appreciated the photo too. It helped illustrate to my wife what can be acheived in 40s and 50s with the right training diet and supps . . .

How does this change the dynamic . . . I pin .5cc on tues and fri. After 5-6 weeks, how about a monday draw after skipping the friday shot?

**esplendido** · 04-30-2009, 04:40 PM

Originally Posted by Nattynomore

Esplendido . . . I actually appreciated the photo too. It helped illustrate to my wife what can be acheived in 40s and 50s with the right training diet and supps . . .

How does this change the dynamic . . . I pin .5cc on tues and fri. After 5-6 weeks, how about a monday draw after skipping the friday shot?

You should be fine. BTW, I'm 51 in my avi....always time to get in shape

**Nattynomore** · 04-30-2009, 04:44 PM

Amen brother . . . now that I am "off-cycle" I want to drop the carbs and see if I can drop 15 lbs or so over the next 6 weeks to make room for more muscle. I am only 5'9" and 237. Don't really want to get much above that . . . ever. Would like to compete at the top end of the light-heavies next year this time. Going to the Pittsburgh this weekend to see what the local competition looks like.