What happens if someone does steroids but doesn't work out, eat good or do cardio?

**sassy69** · 05-20-2009, 01:27 AM

Originally Posted by RDFinders

thanks for the compliment. i used to see it all the time, esp with predinisone. weight gain was ridiculous. i always wondered why these people didn't workout at least while they were on it. i can see some body fat decrease with using testosterone, but it would be neglible at best. none of the drugs are of any benefit if you are not working out intensely and eating well.

Another detail to qualify when we're talking about "steroids", there are anabolic androgenic steroids (aka AAS) and also corticosteroids like your standard cortisone shot, as well as prednisone, often used for treatment of various diseases, not the least of which is cancer.

E.g. from http://vasculitis.med.jhu.edu/treatm...rednisone.html
Prednisone is a corticosteroid. In contrast to anabolic steroids (used by “bodybuilders”), corticosteroids are used in inflammatory conditions for their anti–inflammatory effects. They have a rapid onset of action, and profoundly affect many parts of the immune system as well as most other body systems. Corticosteroids are a cornerstone of treating most types of vasculitis, and are often used in combination with other immunosuppressive medications.

It is particularly notorious for causing fat & water retention.

**GeminiJedi** · 05-20-2009, 01:56 AM

Weight gain from corticos can be INSANE. I see it all the time at work (and survived a nice round of that myself while also discovering that I have an allergy to them >.< ) They are different from AAS, and like Sassy said, they're treating some sort of medical condition: most likely the person on them is too sick to work out.

**Stavman** · 05-20-2009, 02:01 AM

Originally Posted by SadFatty

Why don't you take this answer to the pit shithead. I'm sure there are many people that do steroids and don't realize they need to eat good and train good for best results. I was just curious what would happen to those type of individuals.

Get off your high horse. Everybody needs to start somewhere.

What fucking high horse? If you take steroids and don't workout you are a fucking moron. Plain and simple.

**The Big Sexy** · 05-20-2009, 02:04 AM

Originally Posted by Stav T.

What fucking high horse? If you take steroids and don't workout you are a fucking moron. Plain and simple.

Well - to qualify that - if you take anabolic steroids for the intent of aesthetic and/or functional physique enhancement and do not workout - dot dot dot...

**Stavman** · 05-20-2009, 02:17 AM

Originally Posted by The Big Sexy

Well - to qualify that - if you take anabolic steroids for the intent of aesthetic and/or functional physique enhancement and do not workout - dot dot dot...

You are so eloquent with your words..

**Ninja Loco** · 05-20-2009, 02:18 AM

Originally Posted by RDFinders

thanks for the compliment. i used to see it all the time, esp with predinisone. weight gain was ridiculous. i always wondered why these people didn't workout at least while they were on it. i can see some body fat decrease with using testosterone, but it would be neglible at best. none of the drugs are of any benefit if you are not working out intensely and eating well.

Exactly. One of my nephews got severely obese when the doctors put him on some kind of steroid. I dont know what it was because this was before I knew anything about them. And to add to what you said about at least working out, as I already said, plenty of people in my gym use steroids. One guy in particular tonight was dispensing steroid advice to someone and he is nothing but a fat guy with decently muscular arms. The only way you can tell that he works out is when he is sleeveless because otherwise he simply looks like another lardass redneck. But he does work out, and HARD. All these guys do. They throw some serious weight and leave sweat puddles on the floor. The same goes with one of my very best gym friends there. He is a strength beast, but readily admits that he doesnt eat anywhere near well. Im going to venture that out of the people whom I know that use......*counts people*....... 6 have what could be considered a decent physique enough to where they would get asked if they take steroids. That's six out of at least 300 members, and thats because I know those guys eat well and train just as hard. Like I said, the rest are just bigger, fatter versions of their old selves.

**kraken** · 05-20-2009, 02:20 AM

It wasn't clarified but assumed that "does steroids" meant AAS use. Corticosteroids=Fat, water retention... most likely can't do any training due to illness.
If someone is taking AAS and "doesn't work out, eat right or do cardio", retarded is putting it kindly.

**Sistersteel** · 05-20-2009, 02:23 AM

Originally Posted by The Big Sexy

Well - to qualify that - if you take anabolic steroids for the intent of aesthetic and/or functional physique enhancement and do not workout - dot dot dot...

Big Sexy
I find your attempts to rephrase all rather "inappropriate" comments interesting. A tactful gentleman you are indeed. However, when
Sadfatty called the poster a shithead, she pretty much instigated the ricochet of responses.

**sassy69** · 05-20-2009, 03:56 AM

Originally Posted by kraken

It wasn't clarified but assumed that "does steroids" meant AAS use. Corticosteroids=Fat, water retention... most likely can't do any training due to illness.
If someone is taking AAS and "doesn't work out, eat right or do cardio", retarded is putting it kindly.

Maybe to be exhaustive & so we don't confuse corticosteroids, ...

In the context of this forum & this discussion, we're talking specifically about anabolic androgenic steroids (AAS). These are normally used in sports & BB for performance enhancement, or physique enhancement for personal or competitive goals. The general comment is that, just like trying to find the ultimate weightloss pill - it doesn't exist. You can't force your body to do something w/o some sort of cost. Regardless of whether or not you're impatient and "Need to lose 20 lb in 2 weeks" or whatever, you simply cannot force your body to produce results faster than it can w/p some sort of rebound or bad effect. Your body was designed to run efficiently given optimal fuel for physical demands & activities. I.e. clean, optimized diet & training will establish the base for whatever additional supplements or whatever you do to help it along. NOT the drugs are the base for performance of the diet & training.

Corticosteroids, as noted above, are completely different from anabolic steroids and you would not be using them to achieve enhanced performance or physique. The fat / water gain resultign from corticosteroids has nothing to do w/ the discussion of the same from a shitty diet & training combined w/ use of anabolics.

**tammyp** · 05-20-2009, 10:38 AM

to take steroids and not train or diet is like taking speed to cure your insomnia.

**Tre** · 05-20-2009, 12:21 PM

Originally Posted by SadFatty

Why don't you take this answer to the pit shithead. I'm sure there are many people that do steroids and don't realize they need to eat good and train good for best results. I was just curious what would happen to those type of individuals.

Get off your high horse. Everybody needs to start somewhere.

That's the smartest thing you've ever said here.

But just so we're clear, using AAS is not the 'starting point' for anyone looking to make changes in his/her life.

**SadFatty** · 05-20-2009, 03:58 PM

Originally Posted by Sistersteel

Big Sexy
I find your attempts to rephrase all rather "inappropriate" comments interesting. A tactful gentleman you are indeed. However, when
Sadfatty called the poster a shithead, she pretty much instigated the ricochet of responses.

And when you allowed the poster to put something ignorant like that in the women's section you pretty mch didn't do your moderating job.

**SadFatty** · 05-20-2009, 04:00 PM

I don't think anybody realizes how many people do steroids uneducated. I asked because I was obviously curious what would happen.

**tammyp** · 05-20-2009, 04:12 PM

Originally Posted by SadFatty

And when you allowed the poster to put something ignorant like that in the women's section you pretty mch didn't do your moderating job.

ok ...sister steele doesnt deserve that.

i think the original point is someone would be stupid (retarded) to do it in the 1st place without training or dieting.

**Sistersteel** · 05-20-2009, 04:22 PM

Originally Posted by SadFatty

And when you allowed the poster to put something ignorant like that in the women's section you pretty mch didn't do your moderating job.

And when did you become qualified to tell me how to do my job, Sadfatty?

You do not have to approve of other people's opinions. They are entitled to express them just as you are. You might think others make ignorant posts, but that is simply the response you are going to get to an ignorant question my dear.

Anything else? Please let me know if there is anything the staff of RX muscle can do to accommodate you and your moods swings

SS