Experiences with EQ

[Nitro Fueled Barbie/Mel Marx]

are they located in the forehead temple area or the top of the head occipital area? cuz i get lack of caffein headaches also.......

[Big Sky Guy]

Niacin should help...and I agree with Sassy about taking something for liver and cholesterol support.

[s2h]

are they located in the forehead temple area or the top of the head occipital area? cuz i get lack of caffein headaches also.......

could be either i would go to walgreens and buy a BP machine(there like 20 bucks) and check it!

[s2h]

Niacin should help...and I agree with Sassy about taking something for liver and cholesterol support.

Niacin is great for lowering her LDL,but isnt gonna help her headaches,check your B complex some have niacin in them(it's b3).Hey Sassy what;s the red yeast rice do havnt heard that one before?

[Big Sky Guy]

Your right s2h, I meant the Niacin for cholest. I was typing faster than thinking and did not read back to be sure I was clear.

[sassy69]

Niacin is great for lowering her LDL,but isnt gonna help her headaches,check your B complex some have niacin in them(it's b3).Hey Sassy what;s the red yeast rice do havnt heard that one before?

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/red...tient-redyeast

Also helps cholesterol.

Actually for BP lowering, I've heard e.g. 10 mg Cialis. If you read the literature on cialis they recommend to not use it if you are on any BP medication as it can cause a sudden lowering of BP.

[tammyp]

george told me about red yeast rice coq10 and fish oil to help bring my genetically high numbers from 400 to 220. i swear by it.

[sassy69]

There's a lot of literature about people being able to come off statin medication w/ OTC stuff. (I really should talk to my dad about this.... he's a big fan of Lipitor.)

[musclemilf]

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/red...tient-redyeast

Also helps cholesterol.

Actually for BP lowering, I've heard e.g. 10 mg Cialis. If you read the literature on cialis they recommend to not use it if you are on any BP medication as it can cause a sudden lowering of BP.

Yeah, but what about the 8 hour erections as a possible side effect?

[Nitro Fueled Barbie/Mel Marx]

Yeah, but what about the 8 hour erections as a possible side effect?

that's a bad thing?

[sassy69]

Yeah, but what about the 8 hour erections as a possible side effect?

Isn't the normal dose for "that" use more around 50 mg?

DISCLAIMER - I'm not a doctor - if you get an 8 hr erection - its yours to experiment w/ as you wish. If you're cute, single and don't live w/ your parents, my cell number is .....

[s2h]

that's a bad thing?

cialis isnt like viagra,your(the mans) erections are normally brought on by female stimulation and foreplay and such,viagra just keeps you erect at a non stop pace and many times way to long and can be very discomforting if it lasts to long.the 2 work in a different way.i had a viagra script once and never again,it's use is more for erectial disfunction,were cialis is geared more towards long term performance(1-2 days) when the 2 partys involved are ready toplay

[fitbody]

Isn't the normal dose for "that" use more around 50 mg?

DISCLAIMER - I'm not a doctor - if you get an 8 hr erection - its yours to experiment w/ as you wish. If you're cute, single and don't live w/ your parents, my cell number is .....

i presently am seeking a man who is capable of an 8 hr erection
and ditto on the cute, single & don't live w/ ur parents
contact me via pm and we'll hook up (literally)

[~gymdiva~]

I wanted to bump this thread a little since it got a little off track and ask about those who did or did not experience any kind of water retention....is eq typically something used during a prep by those choosing to use it? is it one that should be dropped before a show? if so, how far out since it's a slower acting compound? I especially am curious about those that tended to use the smaller amounts (around the 50mg/week mark)....

[sassy69]

I wanted to bump this thread a little since it got a little off track and ask about those who did or did not experience any kind of water retention....is eq typically something used during a prep by those choosing to use it? is it one that should be dropped before a show? if so, how far out since it's a slower acting compound? I especially am curious about those that tended to use the smaller amounts (around the 50mg/week mark)....

EQ is a popular cycle because it doesn't aromatize, though I found an article that mentions water retention at high doses. Practically speaking, I haven't heard of complaints of water retention. The things you do occasionally hear about is increased hunger (which some people like to use to encourage food intake along w/ using EQ as a bulker cycle) and depression.

With respect to contest prep, I think people tend to switch over to the shorter ester injectibles closer to show time as the timeframes are tighter and more focused on your short-term goal (i.e. show day). That said, because EQ doesn't aromatize, it would still be considered a useful cycle going into show time. Because the results are slower coming, you'd want to schedule your cycle with that in mind. This would probably look like a pretty simple cycle of just EQ for like 10-12 weeks, and just leave it at that (with any other stuff you might be stacking scheduled accordingly).

Regarding when to stop prior to show time, I'd probably just include this w/ the general rule of thumb regarding injectibles - drop them all at 10-14 days out from your show date to remove any water impact that might be present.

[s2h]

oh exfoliating is GREAT for the skin, it really helps with anti-aging. Exfoliate your face too. Get a good skin regimen over at skinstore.com they have some great facial and body exfoliators.

maybe i'll get my nails done......

[LookImDancinCrazy!]

not to beat a dead horse but i miss typed that post a 1/2 cc of EQ is 150mg,EQ comes 300mg per cc,have never seen it in any other dose!

200mg/ml appears to be pretty commonly available.


I'm planning a Boldenone cycle to commence around mid March. I like it's androgenic to anabolic effect ratio, rbc boost (mine are a bit low) and lack of hepatotoxicity. Right now the plan is to follow SS's advice and make it a 16 week cycle.

[LookImDancinCrazy!]

if anyone's interested today is exactly 7 weeks on Boldenone. I didn't notice any acceleration in recovery until the end of the 3rd week. The last four weeks I've observed nice, steady gains. Up about 4-5 pounds during that time. No particular hardening or vascularity, but no puffy water retention look either. And so far none of the sides I typically observe on androgens. Seems like a good choice for the intermediate user.

[BiggTexx]

must be the part of the country i live in cause i've taken EQ on and off for 10= years and it's always been 300mg.......but i'm not far from MEX!

I have also been doing equipoise for quite a bit longer than 10 years and very close to mex as well. While I have seen 300mg/ml it is usually is pretty thick and hard to inject, although I have seen 700mg/ml that was actually very injectable.

I bought 60ml bottles for years from a vet at 50mg/ml. I have a 60ml bottle of home-brew at 200mg/ml.

Here are some of the trade names that are out:

Boldebal-H 50 mg/ml; Ilium Troy Lab. Australia
Equipoise (o.c.) 25 mg, 50 mg/ml; Squibb Canada, Mexico, U.S.
Equipoise 25 mg, 50 mg/ml; Solvay Vet. Canada, Mexico, U.S.
Ganabol 25 mg, 50 mg/ml; Laboratorios VM. Columbia, Panama, Guatemala, El S
Pace 25 mg/ml; Jurox Labs Australia
Sybolin 25 mg/ml; Manufacturer unknown, Australia
Boldeno'n 200 mg/ml; Ttokkyo Labs
Vebonol 25 mg/ml; Ciba-Geigy G, CH, Australia.

Also there is no differece in vet products and human products. The product is made the same depending on the dose....raw EQ powder, oil, 18% BB and 2% BA. Most labs regardless are very sterile or they won't stay in business very long.

[I<3heavyliftin]

Just started 75 mg/week two weeks ago and i am noticing ALOT of water retention, anyone else have this problem? will it possibly go away after some time?

[LookImDancinCrazy!]

Just started 75 mg/week two weeks ago and i am noticing ALOT of water retention, anyone else have this problem? will it possibly go away after some time?

Given the long ester, you're right at that point now where the boldenone is really beginning to reach therapeutic levels in your body, hence the water retention. You're now in the infamous "hormonal fluctuation" phase where we tend to experience most of the acute side effects of AAS usage.

I made a few behavioral changes when I hit that point to deal with it. Adopted a very low sodium diet and added more water to my daily consumption. In about two weeks I found that the tendancy to hold water began to decline.

[I<3heavyliftin]

Given the long ester, you're right at that point now where the boldenone is really beginning to reach therapeutic levels in your body, hence the water retention. You're now in the infamous "hormonal fluctuation" phase where we tend to experience most of the acute side effects of AAS usage.

I made a few behavioral changes when I hit that point to deal with it. Adopted a very low sodium diet and added more water to my daily consumption. In about two weeks I found that the tendancy to hold water began to decline.

Thanks for the response, I've been freakin out a bit because I look quite rolly polly cause all the water I've been holding. It's hard to go from being stage lean and dry to a bloated mess.
I will def try to stick to a lower sodium diet, i already keep my water intake to about 1 1/2 gallons a day, i think that's enough?
Thanks again for the advice!

[LookImDancinCrazy!]

Thanks for the response, I've been freakin out a bit because I look quite rolly polly cause all the water I've been holding. It's hard to go from being stage lean and dry to a bloated mess.
I will def try to stick to a lower sodium diet, i already keep my water intake to about 1 1/2 gallons a day, i think that's enough?
Thanks again for the advice!

That's plenty of water. Don't use the salt shaker and don't eat out of boxes (i.e. nothing prepackaged) at all. If very low sodium intake and plenty of water doesn't show you any progress in a week's time, you may need an anti-e.

[I<3heavyliftin]

I'm a clean eater and use whole foods for nearly all my meals, I'll have a whey shake once in a while and only processed stuff i use is walden farms. I'm already on nolva, that good enough for an anti-e?

[2hot4u]

bob c would be disappointed since his big pitch on physique is no drugs and he is telling all girls to not use them at all if you want to ddo well. Guess that is person to person.

Just started 75 mg/week two weeks ago and i am noticing ALOT of water retention, anyone else have this problem? will it possibly go away after some time?

[sassy69]

bob c would be disappointed since his big pitch on physique is no drugs and he is telling all girls to not use them at all if you want to ddo well. Guess that is person to person.

I wonder what he says to the Bikini girls who cycle?

What I got from all the ad nauseum threads about WPD, is really that Bob is looking to get the amounts of androgens reduced. I think it is naive at best, fucking ignorant at worst to think that the drugs are going to go away at the WPD level if they are already rampant at the Figure level and disturbingly common at the Bikini level.

[sassy69]

I'm a clean eater and use whole foods for nearly all my meals, I'll have a whey shake once in a while and only processed stuff i use is walden farms. I'm already on nolva, that good enough for an anti-e?

I'm just getting back on the boards after being off on vacatio for a while, but I gather you're off-season and intending to do Physique? I'm not clear then, if you're trying to shrink or grow for Physique - I'd assume grow if you're running EQ in the off-season. But then I don't understand why you're using nolvadex? EQ doesn' t aromatize so you're not dealing w/ additional converted estrogen, so no need for an aromatase inhibitor. But if you're running nolvadex, that is going to be tying up some of the estrogen that you really should have available to protect your joints and to help grow some muscle. What is the purpose of the nolva?

[I<3heavyliftin]

I'm just getting back on the boards after being off on vacatio for a while, but I gather you're off-season and intending to do Physique? I'm not clear then, if you're trying to shrink or grow for Physique - I'd assume grow if you're running EQ in the off-season. But then I don't understand why you're using nolvadex? EQ doesn' t aromatize so you're not dealing w/ additional converted estrogen, so no need for an aromatase inhibitor. But if you're running nolvadex, that is going to be tying up some of the estrogen that you really should have available to protect your joints and to help grow some muscle. What is the purpose of the nolva?

I was using Nolva precontest (last comp was only a couple weeks ago), and was tapering it off for my off season. And, yes I am using EQ to build in the off season. I'm in the process of converting to contest prep mode to off season mode. I was trying to blow up like a fat balloon in the process, so I've been tapering things back slowly (cardio/nolva, ect) and adding things (calories, EQ, ect) slowly.

[I<3heavyliftin]

I wonder what he says to the Bikini girls who cycle?

Ouch, why you gotta poke me?! Lol

[sassy69]

I was using Nolva precontest (last comp was only a couple weeks ago), and was tapering it off for my off season. And, yes I am using EQ to build in the off season. I'm in the process of converting to contest prep mode to off season mode. I was trying to blow up like a fat balloon in the process, so I've been tapering things back slowly (cardio/nolva, ect) and adding things (calories, EQ, ect) slowly.

OK gotcha. I also assum you mean you were trying NOT to blow up like a fat balloon (That has never been one my goals in prep...)

Ouch, why you gotta poke me?! Lol

Nooooo ... I was poking Bob C. But I'm sure Bob's stand as far as AAS for women in physique is the intention of reducing the amount perceived as used in FBB. My point was if Bikini girls are using it, how can you even begin to expect ino use in a category 2 levels up from Bikini?

[LookImDancinCrazy!]

I'm a clean eater and use whole foods for nearly all my meals, I'll have a whey shake once in a while and only processed stuff i use is walden farms. I'm already on nolva, that good enough for an anti-e?

Respect to Sass, boldenone does aromatize, just not a lot. Some people are clearly more sensitive to E than other and could experience sxs suggestive of high levels even on something relatively resistant to aromatization as boldenone. Anyway, if you're already on Nolva, I wouldn't think its real likely high E is the issue.

I'd suggest you just hit a walk-in lab and get a hormonal panel and see what's up. That way you immediately rule in/out estrogen level. This is the product I've used a couple of times myself:

http://gads.prepaidlab.com/Estradiol.html

[sassy69]

Respect to Sass, boldenone does aromatize, just not a lot. Some people are clearly more sensitive to E than other and could experience sxs suggestive of high levels even on something relatively resistant to aromatization as boldenone. Anyway, if you're already on Nolva, I wouldn't think its real likely high E is the issue.

I'd suggest you just hit a walk-in lab and get a hormonal panel and see what's up. That way you immediately rule in/out estrogen level. This is the product I've used a couple of times myself:

http://gads.prepaidlab.com/Estradiol.html

Always learning. It has to be very small amount because EQ is described as nonaromatizing. But to your point there are plenty of people who report water retention on small doses of anavar.

[LookImDancinCrazy!]

Always learning. It has to be very small amount because EQ is described as nonaromatizing. But to your point there are plenty of people who report water retention on small doses of anavar.

estimated to convert at about half the rate of testosterone, according to a few pharmacological descriptions I've read of it. Perhaps those of us with higher levels of E (or greater sensitivities to it) notice the effects of even that relatively mild degree of aromatization.

Overall I've had a good experience with it thus far. Slow, steady gains with very minimal sides. No backne, no temperament changes, and I'm not turning into Chewbacca, which is no mean feat for a Mexican.

[I<3heavyliftin]

Thank you ladies for all the advice. The bloating has been going down, my boyfriend thinks it's mostly in my head 'cause I was used to my "stage" body. He might be a little bit right. As long as I stay away from sodium, throw in some green tea and drink oodles of water my bloat becomes manageable. On the bright side my strength is increasing and I am noticing some muscle hardness.

[LookImDancinCrazy!]

Thank you ladies for all the advice. The bloating has been going down, my boyfriend thinks it's mostly in my head 'cause I was used to my "stage" body. He might be a little bit right. As long as I stay away from sodium, throw in some green tea and drink oodles of water my bloat becomes manageable. On the bright side my strength is increasing and I am noticing some muscle hardness.

Awesome. Glad to hear it. I'm actually coming down now. this is week 17 for me. It's been 9 days since I've had my last shot. If your experience is like mine, it will be nothing but good stuff from here on out. Steady gains and hardness.

You titrating, or staying at 75mg weekly all the way through, and how long are you going?

[I<3heavyliftin]

Awesome. Glad to hear it. I'm actually coming down now. this is week 17 for me. It's been 9 days since I've had my last shot. If your experience is like mine, it will be nothing but good stuff from here on out. Steady gains and hardness.

You titrating, or staying at 75mg weekly all the way through, and how long are you going?

I think I'm going to try upping it every four weeks. I plan on running it for a total of 20 weeks, then come off for about eight, and depending on what I am able to accomplish in the next 16 weeks, I might run it again for another 18-20 weeks. How high did you go?

[LookImDancinCrazy!]

I think I'm going to try upping it every four weeks. I plan on running it for a total of 20 weeks, then come off for about eight, and depending on what I am able to accomplish in the next 16 weeks, I might run it again for another 18-20 weeks. How high did you go?

Well I frontloaded a bit to get the levels up more quickly, then settled into a basic titration pattern.

week 1: 125mg
week 2: 100mg
weeks 3-8: 75mg
weeks 9-12: 100mg
weeks 13-16: 125mg

[I<3heavyliftin]

Ok, I don't want to sound like a complete moron, but can you explain to me why you would run a titration pattern? What's the benefit compared to just progressively upping the dose until I reach my max?

[LookImDancinCrazy!]

Ok, I don't want to sound like a complete moron, but can you explain to me why you would run a titration pattern? What's the benefit compared to just progressively upping the dose until I reach my max?

to ensure I never use more than I need at any given time to keep gaining muscle.

A physician would titrate to avoid possible side effects while working towards a therapeutic dose of a drug. Sometimes the sides are what I'd call "acclimation" sides that occur only because the body is not ready yet for a certain level of a drug, but other times they might be the appearance of permanent sides indicative of a sensitivity the patient might have to the drug.

In the case of androgens, which could obviously have permanent unwanted sides, I increase only when the gains seem to slow down a lot. I planned in advance to bump the dose every 4 weeks, but would not have done so if I'd continued to gain at a given dose. So if 100mg weekly continued to keep me gaining at the same rate in week 13, I would have kept the dosage unchanged. Same for week 14, and so on. With these really long esters though, it is admittedly harder to assess for gains. I usually use strength gains as my gauge.

[Figure.this]

Hi girls, I am new to this forum. I've competed for the past 5yrs in Figure. Am currently on an EQ cycle. Week 9 of it to be exact. I started at 1/2ml a week (250mcg/ml) and am just about to bump it up to 3/4ml a week. I have gained around 3kg of solid muscle (I lift pretty heavy for a girl.... deadlifts are 130kgs, squats 140kgs, bench 90kgs) There is a huge difference in my physique, my shoulders have just popped right out! I love this stuff so much!! Sides...... A couple of pimples here and there, arms are very vascular and I could eat the entire contents of the fridge and pantry of an evening, I get seriously hungry - which with 8wks till comp, is not a good thing but I am willing to live with it. It is great to find a forum with other girls who have experience running this too!

[Figure.this]

oops I cannot edit my post. It should be 250mg/ml

[heyitsme]

Hey there everyone!

FigureThis: We are similar in cycle at the moment! I'm beginning week 7 at 1/2cc (250mcg/ml) but also stacking with Var at 10mg. I am having a great cycle, although I'm curious if you had sides too? ... The first week I did 600mg, I suppose this might have brought on the quick sides in the first 3weeks. The sides haven't gotten any worse although they are here to stay I guess. You? Any sides at all?

[heyitsme]

Forgot to list my sides! :

* Quite the Voice Change (although no one has mentioned it) espec. when laughing
* Growth in certain part of the female anatomy (again not subtle)
* The chin needs waxing every week now but nowhere else (thank god I'm blonde)
* I had an ITCHY! rash on both butt cheeks in week 2 for 2 weeks but all went away
* Libido through the roof but now not so much (boo!) since upping the Var to 10mg.

I think that about covers it. Tired a lot of the time but not sure this has anything to do with gear. So, this is my experience with EQ at week 7 (16wk cycle). Now thinking of lowering the dose to 100mg/wk for 4wks.

[sassy69]

Hey there everyone!

FigureThis: We are similar in cycle at the moment! I'm beginning week 7 at 1/2cc (250mcg/ml) but also stacking with Var at 10mg. I am having a great cycle, although I'm curious if you had sides too? ... The first week I did 600mg, I suppose this might have brought on the quick sides in the first 3weeks. The sides haven't gotten any worse although they are here to stay I guess. You? Any sides at all?

So you're currently runnign at 125 mg/week of eq? But you frontloaded w/ 600 mg? Holy Ef. No reason to do that. That's a hella hefty front load. I'd consider 200-250 mg /week to be an aggressive cycle. Just for future ref I guess.

The sides generally reduce or disappear (at least at a macro level) when all your compounds clear (ref: compound detection time at the longest). They are more likely to remain if you continue hefty cycles or if you cycle continuously w/ short or no 'off' time.

[heyitsme]

Yah, I trusted someone I know to give me my injections and that he would make the right calculations with the concentration being 250mg/ml but he screwed up. So instead of frontloading with 75mg every 2 days I got a whopping 200mg every 2 days. Here's a man for ya: "Oh it's not that much, it won't give you any sides or anything", and no apology for the screw up. This coming from a man who's huge and been on gear for more than 10yrs. Arggh... and that rash on my cheeks were from his injections. Soooo, although I've always been scared to death of needles (don't give blood because of that) I bit the bullet and after his first 3 pokes in week #1, I started giving myself my own in the thigh. Decided I can only count on myself Feels so much better.

I plan on running my cycle for 16wks and taking 16wks off, but keeing the GH of course ED 365. Next cycle I can rely on myself

I'm expecting the damage being done so quickly from such a heavy dosage may make the sides permanant for me, although one can hope I suppose if I stay at 125mg or so possibly I have a change of them diminishing at least.